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Arrests after cyclist dies in bridge crash
A NUMBER of people have been arrested after a cyclist died on the Itchen Bridge in Southampton.
The victim - a 60-year-old cyclist from Swanwick - was pronounced dead at the scene, following a collision with a car.
A second man - a 32-year-old from Whiteley - suffered extensive chest and leg injuries.
He was taken to Southampton General Hospital, where he is now in a serious but stable condition.
In addition to the person with life-threatening injuries - the car driver, a 37-year-old man, was admitted with chest pains and breathing difficulties.
The rear-seat passenger, a 19-year-old man, was suffering breathing difficulties and a 34-year-old woman suffered facial and chest injuries.
The accident happened at 8.53pm, involving a dark Peugeot 406, closing the bridge in both directions for six hours.
A number of people were arrested in connection with the incident and are being held at police stations across Hampshire.
An ambulance rapid response car was on the scene within two minutes of the 999 call.
Seven ambulances and two doctors also attended the scene with 20 police officers, 12 police cars and firefighters.
The accident is believed to have happened on the Ocean Village side of the bridge.
Inspector Tony Browne: "I am very keen to speak to anyone who was on the Itchen Bridge at the time of this tragic incident."
Police are appealing for witnesses. Anyone with information should contact 0845 045 4545.
4:26pm Thursday 21st August 2008
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CommentPosted by: Andrew, Southampton on 7:15am Thu 21 Aug 08
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here.
I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response?
12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here.
I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response?
12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
Posted by: Fred on 7:29am Thu 21 Aug 08
"The accident is believed to have happened on the Ocean Village side of the bridge"
The bit with the cycles lanes on the roundabout? Never liked that junction as a driver or cyclist.
"The accident is believed to have happened on the Ocean Village side of the bridge"
The bit with the cycles lanes on the roundabout? Never liked that junction as a driver or cyclist.
Posted by: The New Pretender, southampton on 8:19am Thu 21 Aug 08
Having driven over the bridge the morning there are some large "scrape" marks along one of the walls on the town side near the brow of the bridge. It must of been some impact!
Obviously not knowing the circumstances fully, how are 2 cyclists involved ?
Condolences to the family of the departed and wishing the other injured people a quick recovery.
Having driven over the bridge the morning there are some large "scrape" marks along one of the walls on the town side near the brow of the bridge. It must of been some impact!
Obviously not knowing the circumstances fully, how are 2 cyclists involved ?
Condolences to the family of the departed and wishing the other injured people a quick recovery.
Posted by: Steve, Southampton on 8:23am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.[/quote] It makes me wonder why people make stupid comments like this about such a tragic incident, obviously this person has no working knowlage of the emergency services or what it takes to deal with an incedent such as this and i'm sure friends and family of those involved would not think it overkill.
My sincere condolences to friends and family of the persons involved. I cycle the bridge on a regular basis and this really hits home as to what can happen.
Andrew wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
It makes me wonder why people make stupid comments like this about such a tragic incident, obviously this person has no working knowlage of the emergency services or what it takes to deal with an incedent such as this and i'm sure friends and family of those involved would not think it overkill.
My sincere condolences to friends and family of the persons involved. I cycle the bridge on a regular basis and this really hits home as to what can happen.
Posted by: revo, SOUTHAMPTON on 8:35am Thu 21 Aug 08
So you was walking your dog at the time of the accident, if i remember rightly it was raining quite hard last night and it was getting quite dark at the time, "visibility was fine" I don't think so.
So you was walking your dog at the time of the accident, if i remember rightly it was raining quite hard last night and it was getting quite dark at the time, "visibility was fine" I don't think so.
Posted by: wewullywinky on 8:36am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]dan[/bold] wrote:
I ride my bike across the bridge all the time and its ever so windy at times, I think as people have to pay money to cross the bridge they should put up some higher walls. I wouldnt be surprised it the wind had anything to do with it. not drugs![/quote] I doubt wind would effect a peugeot that much as it wasn't blowing a gale. it's more likely to be intoxication
dan wrote:
I ride my bike across the bridge all the time and its ever so windy at times, I think as people have to pay money to cross the bridge they should put up some higher walls. I wouldnt be surprised it the wind had anything to do with it. not drugs!
I doubt wind would effect a peugeot that much as it wasn't blowing a gale. it's more likely to be intoxication
Posted by: Bright Spark, Stubbington on 8:46am Thu 21 Aug 08
Not jumping to any conclusions here but I can understand why cyclists use the paths instead of the roads in certain situations. I wouldn't fancy cycling along that road in poor weather after sunset.
Not jumping to any conclusions here but I can understand why cyclists use the paths instead of the roads in certain situations. I wouldn't fancy cycling along that road in poor weather after sunset.
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 8:53am Thu 21 Aug 08
It's clear though that the car was speeding, from the damage sustained and injuries.
I doubt very much it was the cyclists as two were casualties fault.
It's clear though that the car was speeding, from the damage sustained and injuries.
I doubt very much it was the cyclists as two were casualties fault.
Posted by: revo, southampton on 8:54am Thu 21 Aug 08
"Amazed" hush your gums, you are not mystic meg and you couldnt put money on it being drink or drugs because you don't no and that would just be stupid, all im saying is that you are very quick at assuming it being drink or drugs and yeah it could be but you dont no that so wait and see what is said.
"Amazed" hush your gums, you are not mystic meg and you couldnt put money on it being drink or drugs because you don't no and that would just be stupid, all im saying is that you are very quick at assuming it being drink or drugs and yeah it could be but you dont no that so wait and see what is said.
Posted by: witness to accident on 9:00am Thu 21 Aug 08
Why do people jump to conclusions?, It was NOT windy or raining at the time of the accident neither could i be sure as a witness to the accident that the driver was speeding,
My deepest condolences to the family of the deceased
Why do people jump to conclusions?, It was NOT windy or raining at the time of the accident neither could i be sure as a witness to the accident that the driver was speeding,
My deepest condolences to the family of the deceased
Posted by: claire, southampton on 9:06am Thu 21 Aug 08
this accident looked awful and i am glad i was not there, thank god we have people who are trained to deal with these awful situations.
why do some people always think the worse about drivers invovled in accidents god knows what they must be going through today.
this accident looked awful and i am glad i was not there, thank god we have people who are trained to deal with these awful situations.
why do some people always think the worse about drivers invovled in accidents god knows what they must be going through today.
Posted by: unknown on 9:07am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.[/quote] If you were there you wouldn't have thought so! I was and it was not overkill
Andrew wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
If you were there you wouldn't have thought so! I was and it was not overkill
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 9:08am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]witness to accident[/bold] wrote:
Why do people jump to conclusions?, It was NOT windy or raining at the time of the accident neither could i be sure as a witness to the accident that the driver was speeding, My deepest condolences to the family of the deceased[/quote] So what happened?
As a body specialist the damage sustained to the car looks like the car was travelling over 30 mph, i.e. the speed limit for the bridge. I'd say he was doing approx 60-70mph
witness to accident wrote:
Why do people jump to conclusions?, It was NOT windy or raining at the time of the accident neither could i be sure as a witness to the accident that the driver was speeding, My deepest condolences to the family of the deceased
So what happened?
As a body specialist the damage sustained to the car looks like the car was travelling over 30 mph, i.e. the speed limit for the bridge. I'd say he was doing approx 60-70mph
Posted by: Dan, Ocean Village on 9:20am Thu 21 Aug 08
I think some poeple are takeing this a little far now... dont forget someone died. We should let the police do there job, and find out when they tell us
I think some poeple are takeing this a little far now... dont forget someone died. We should let the police do there job, and find out when they tell us
Posted by: Matt, Southampton, Itchen Bridge on 9:26am Thu 21 Aug 08
I can see the bridge clearly from my window, didn't see the accident but was overwhelmed by the emergency services presence. When you looked up the bridge the amount of blue lights flashing looked unreal. It seem to be being dealt with amazingly. Can't say much for drivers approaching the bridge on the town side though, what idiots... some absolute mad driving, the police blocked people accessing the bridge and had put warning signs up everywhere, this didn't stop a driver of a Citreon AX following an unmarked police car up the wrong side of the traffic island up the bridge. Also the amount of cyclists approaching the bridge, ignoring the police block and proceeding to travel over it was crazy, why do cyclists think they can cross it if no one else can?
I can see the bridge clearly from my window, didn't see the accident but was overwhelmed by the emergency services presence. When you looked up the bridge the amount of blue lights flashing looked unreal. It seem to be being dealt with amazingly. Can't say much for drivers approaching the bridge on the town side though, what idiots... some absolute mad driving, the police blocked people accessing the bridge and had put warning signs up everywhere, this didn't stop a driver of a Citreon AX following an unmarked police car up the wrong side of the traffic island up the bridge. Also the amount of cyclists approaching the bridge, ignoring the police block and proceeding to travel over it was crazy, why do cyclists think they can cross it if no one else can?
Posted by: Fiona, Southampton on 9:31am Thu 21 Aug 08
I would like to send my Deepest Condolences to the family of the Deeceaced,& Wish a full recoverey to the other people Involved. My Son & I Cycle the Bride,Some people are rude as My son Cycle on Pavment.Bus,Cars Drive in the Cycle Lane!SOMETHING Needs to be Done.[quote]quote[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold]
I would like to send my Deepest Condolences to the family of the Deeceaced,& Wish a full recoverey to the other people Involved. My Son & I Cycle the Bride,Some people are rude as My son Cycle on Pavment.Bus,Cars Drive in the Cycle Lane!SOMETHING Needs to be Done.
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Posted by: Tut tut on 9:45am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]witness[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bright Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]witness to accident[/bold] wrote: Why do people jump to conclusions?, It was NOT windy or raining at the time of the accident neither could i be sure as a witness to the accident that the driver was speeding, My deepest condolences to the family of the deceased[/quote] So the Met Office archives that there was a \'strong breeze\' at that time (22 mph winds) at sea level are wrong? On the brow of the Itchen Bridge it therefore stands that that the winds would be closer to 30 mph (near gale). You must have been on another bridge shipmate.[/quote] Were you there?, i was and there was not a stong wind[/quote] This seems a pointless argument from both of you really. Being a witness doesn't mean you could gauge the wind speed along the whole of the bridge. You may have been standing somewhere were there was shelter or where there was no gust at that particular moment.
More importantly, someone has died, others are hurt so let's not squabble too much.
I am not one of those types who feels these pages should be used for condolences, quite the opposite actually but petty arguments are a little insensitive.
witness wrote:
Bright Spark wrote: witness to accident wrote: Why do people jump to conclusions?, It was NOT windy or raining at the time of the accident neither could i be sure as a witness to the accident that the driver was speeding, My deepest condolences to the family of the deceased
So the Met Office archives that there was a \'strong breeze\' at that time (22 mph winds) at sea level are wrong? On the brow of the Itchen Bridge it therefore stands that that the winds would be closer to 30 mph (near gale). You must have been on another bridge shipmate.
Were you there?, i was and there was not a stong wind
This seems a pointless argument from both of you really. Being a witness doesn't mean you could gauge the wind speed along the whole of the bridge. You may have been standing somewhere were there was shelter or where there was no gust at that particular moment.
More importantly, someone has died, others are hurt so let's not squabble too much.
I am not one of those types who feels these pages should be used for condolences, quite the opposite actually but petty arguments are a little insensitive.
Posted by: unknown on 10:04am Thu 21 Aug 08
as for the amount of emergency vehicles in attendance. this was an incident involving a cycling club, with many people injured. hence the large number of vehicles.
as for the amount of emergency vehicles in attendance. this was an incident involving a cycling club, with many people injured. hence the large number of vehicles.
Posted by: Jake, Southampton on 10:31am Thu 21 Aug 08
If the Police designated more staff to speeding enforcement then maybe these chavs and white van men would have an incentive to slow down.
The cycle route around Southampton are all dangerously exposed to traffic.
If the Police designated more staff to speeding enforcement then maybe these chavs and white van men would have an incentive to slow down.
The cycle route around Southampton are all dangerously exposed to traffic.
Posted by: sharon, sholing on 10:37am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.[/quote] How on earth could you think its an overkill?
It doesnt matter how many emergency crews attended this devestating accident, just immagine if it were someone u were close to, you would want as many people to help as possible. My sincere condolences to all family and friends of the person who lost their life.[quote]quote[/quote] [quote]quote[/quote] [quote]quote[/quote]
Andrew wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
How on earth could you think its an overkill?
It doesnt matter how many emergency crews attended this devestating accident, just immagine if it were someone u were close to, you would want as many people to help as possible. My sincere condolences to all family and friends of the person who lost their life.
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Posted by: citizen on 10:50am Thu 21 Aug 08
What a tragedy!!!my husband and I just miss it we where going to the cinema at 7.50. But we live in Woolston so we use the bridge regularly and I had a few misses with cyclist and motor bikes. The bridge is too narrow, expecially at the end. Please Please can the Council, on the light of this tragic event, do somthing about it? My deepest condolences and prayer to the family of the deceased and best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured.
What a tragedy!!!my husband and I just miss it we where going to the cinema at 7.50. But we live in Woolston so we use the bridge regularly and I had a few misses with cyclist and motor bikes. The bridge is too narrow, expecially at the end. Please Please can the Council, on the light of this tragic event, do somthing about it? My deepest condolences and prayer to the family of the deceased and best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured.
Posted by: hulla, baloo on 11:20am Thu 21 Aug 08
Condolences to all.
I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads.
A busy town centre is no place for that.
Condolences to all.
I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads.
A busy town centre is no place for that.
Posted by: Citizen Pain on 11:22am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]citizen[/bold] wrote:
What a tragedy!!!my husband and I just miss it we where going to the cinema at 7.50. But we live in Woolston so we use the bridge regularly and I had a few misses with cyclist and motor bikes. The bridge is too narrow, expecially at the end. Please Please can the Council, on the light of this tragic event, do somthing about it? My deepest condolences and prayer to the family of the deceased and best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured.
[/quote] The council aren't going to widen the bridge, you'll just have to take more care. Oooh, and keeping paying your 60p, even though the bridge was paid for years ago and we promised the levy was just to cover the costs.
citizen wrote:
What a tragedy!!!my husband and I just miss it we where going to the cinema at 7.50. But we live in Woolston so we use the bridge regularly and I had a few misses with cyclist and motor bikes. The bridge is too narrow, expecially at the end. Please Please can the Council, on the light of this tragic event, do somthing about it? My deepest condolences and prayer to the family of the deceased and best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured.
The council aren't going to widen the bridge, you'll just have to take more care. Oooh, and keeping paying your 60p, even though the bridge was paid for years ago and we promised the levy was just to cover the costs.
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 11:30am Thu 21 Aug 08
Tragic incident with loss of life. Within hours we witness all the inevitable bar-room lawyers, coroners,accident investigators,psychi
cs,trolls and all manner of numpties who seem to have it all wrapped up.
Time will tell what actually happened and if anybody is culpable although the only people that really know is those that were involved.
Us Woolstonites do know how unsafe it can be for cyclists crossing the bridge in 'normal' circumstances but let's wait and see what unfolds.
I'm surprised that Denzil hasnt jumped in as yet
Tragic incident with loss of life. Within hours we witness all the inevitable bar-room lawyers, coroners,accident investigators,psychi
cs,trolls and all manner of numpties who seem to have it all wrapped up.
Time will tell what actually happened and if anybody is culpable although the only people that really know is those that were involved.
Us Woolstonites do know how unsafe it can be for cyclists crossing the bridge in 'normal' circumstances but let's wait and see what unfolds.
I'm surprised that Denzil hasnt jumped in as yet
Posted by: john, southampton on 11:47am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]claire[/bold] wrote:
this accident looked awful and i am glad i was not there, thank god we have people who are trained to deal with these awful situations. why do some people always think the worse about drivers invovled in accidents god knows what they must be going through today.[/quote] what about the poor people that were run over? how do you think they are feeling whilst laying in a hospital bed?
claire wrote:
this accident looked awful and i am glad i was not there, thank god we have people who are trained to deal with these awful situations. why do some people always think the worse about drivers invovled in accidents god knows what they must be going through today.
what about the poor people that were run over? how do you think they are feeling whilst laying in a hospital bed?
Posted by: Ocean Village resident, Soton on 11:53am Thu 21 Aug 08
This is a tragic accident and none of us know the circumstamces in which this guy died, only the occupants of the car and the cyclists themselves.
Regarding the debate on the manner in which cyclists frequenctly put themselves in danger, I'm afraid these incidents are bound to happen.
I would ban them from the city's streets and then tackle the motorcyclists who feel it's acceptable to weave in and out of traffic to get ahead of other vehicles. The car driver is vilified when a motorcyclist is killed or injured but watching these guys cnducting their own personal slalom on the city's roads is an all too common occurrence.
This is a tragic accident and none of us know the circumstamces in which this guy died, only the occupants of the car and the cyclists themselves.
Regarding the debate on the manner in which cyclists frequenctly put themselves in danger, I'm afraid these incidents are bound to happen.
I would ban them from the city's streets and then tackle the motorcyclists who feel it's acceptable to weave in and out of traffic to get ahead of other vehicles. The car driver is vilified when a motorcyclist is killed or injured but watching these guys cnducting their own personal slalom on the city's roads is an all too common occurrence.
Posted by: Cyclist, Southampton on 11:54am Thu 21 Aug 08
They should put a speed camera on the bridge.
They should put a speed camera on the bridge.
Posted by: Chris, St Mary's on 12:22pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Ocean Village resident - as a cyclist and motorcyclist, why does it bother you that I get where I want to be faster than you in (I assume) your car? I accept that sometimes cyclists put themselves in danger but more often than not the most dangerous and numerous road users, those in cars, are at fault. And of course, they usually aren't the ones that get killed or seriously injured.
Filtering through stationary or slow moving traffic on a motorcycle is perfectly legal so it is 'acceptable to weave in an out of traffic'. If you had any basic knowledge of motorcycling, you would be aware of this.
Still, you should pass on your balanced and well thought out comments to the council. Banning motorcyclists and cyclists should do wonders for the congested roads around the city. I wonder if maybe they could put a curfew on pedestrians at the same time? We could all get big 4x4s with road tyres and 20mpg engines and sit in queues all day long while complaining about the traffic. Or maybe we could learn to look beyond the end of our own nose and try something different?
Ocean Village resident - as a cyclist and motorcyclist, why does it bother you that I get where I want to be faster than you in (I assume) your car? I accept that sometimes cyclists put themselves in danger but more often than not the most dangerous and numerous road users, those in cars, are at fault. And of course, they usually aren't the ones that get killed or seriously injured.
Filtering through stationary or slow moving traffic on a motorcycle is perfectly legal so it is 'acceptable to weave in an out of traffic'. If you had any basic knowledge of motorcycling, you would be aware of this.
Still, you should pass on your balanced and well thought out comments to the council. Banning motorcyclists and cyclists should do wonders for the congested roads around the city. I wonder if maybe they could put a curfew on pedestrians at the same time? We could all get big 4x4s with road tyres and 20mpg engines and sit in queues all day long while complaining about the traffic. Or maybe we could learn to look beyond the end of our own nose and try something different?
Posted by: Kt, Woolston on 12:25pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote:
Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.[/quote] sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks!
hulla wrote:
Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.
sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks!
Posted by: Liza, Sholing on 1:34pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I had just left the cinema and was about to use the bridge to get home, it was cut off by the police, and there was alot of blue ligts flashing on the brow of the bridge - it was on the ocean village side. Im so glad that the emergency services did get there as quickly as they could - but its so sad that a gentleman was knocked down and died.
my condolences go to the familys of those who have been injured or have unfortunately died. anyone who drinks and does drugs and drives deserves the hardest punishment - its people like them who kill or hurt others with their stupidity.
this should definatley become a reminder to all those who do drink, do drugs and drive - this could happen again to an innocent bystander, but lets pray it doesnt.
I had just left the cinema and was about to use the bridge to get home, it was cut off by the police, and there was alot of blue ligts flashing on the brow of the bridge - it was on the ocean village side. Im so glad that the emergency services did get there as quickly as they could - but its so sad that a gentleman was knocked down and died.
my condolences go to the familys of those who have been injured or have unfortunately died. anyone who drinks and does drugs and drives deserves the hardest punishment - its people like them who kill or hurt others with their stupidity.
this should definatley become a reminder to all those who do drink, do drugs and drive - this could happen again to an innocent bystander, but lets pray it doesnt.
Posted by: hulla, baloo on 1:39pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Kt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote: Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.[/quote] sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks![/quote] They do, but these so called cycling clubs tend to ride 3 or 4 abreast, and go as fast as they can, seemingly oblivious to conditions, traffic and to all around them.
Kt wrote:
hulla wrote: Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.
sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks!
They do, but these so called cycling clubs tend to ride 3 or 4 abreast, and go as fast as they can, seemingly oblivious to conditions, traffic and to all around them.
Posted by: ES, Southampton on 2:12pm Thu 21 Aug 08
The Itchen Bridge, particularly the Ocean Village end, is actually quite cyclist-friendly. There are clearly marked lanes and a sign flashes up on the roundabout when a cyclist is approaching. General visibility is good and you can see a cyclist coming from a long way off. If the car occupants have chest injuries, presumably from seatbelts, this implies that they were going at an excessive speed and doesn't surprise me at all. Try driving down Middle and Spring Road to see many drivers doing 90mph plus. We need more police instead of speed cameras. They are not working and they don't catch bad driving. These people give all drivers a bad name. My condolences to the people affected by this - such a stupid waste of life and, most probably, avoidable.
The Itchen Bridge, particularly the Ocean Village end, is actually quite cyclist-friendly. There are clearly marked lanes and a sign flashes up on the roundabout when a cyclist is approaching. General visibility is good and you can see a cyclist coming from a long way off. If the car occupants have chest injuries, presumably from seatbelts, this implies that they were going at an excessive speed and doesn't surprise me at all. Try driving down Middle and Spring Road to see many drivers doing 90mph plus. We need more police instead of speed cameras. They are not working and they don't catch bad driving. These people give all drivers a bad name. My condolences to the people affected by this - such a stupid waste of life and, most probably, avoidable.
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t;, southampton on 2:39pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.[/quote] 7 patients requires at least 7 ambulances.... use your brain before making stupid comments!!! when you've attended jobs like this then you can comment about "overkill" believe me you need every pair of hands you can get hold of.
Andrew wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
7 patients requires at least 7 ambulances.... use your brain before making stupid comments!!! when you've attended jobs like this then you can comment about "overkill" believe me you need every pair of hands you can get hold of.
Posted by: disgusted on 2:47pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Some one has died in an accident, which the details have not been published in full, and whilst the familiy and friends may read this people are pointing fingures, assuming and having petty arguments, it makes me ashamed and sick. Someone has unexpectantly died in an horrible accident, that is what should be remembered and as such respect should be shown.
Some one has died in an accident, which the details have not been published in full, and whilst the familiy and friends may read this people are pointing fingures, assuming and having petty arguments, it makes me ashamed and sick. Someone has unexpectantly died in an horrible accident, that is what should be remembered and as such respect should be shown.
Posted by: shazzaroo287, woolston on 2:59pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[bold]I have just read through all your comments and think that it is amazing that a tragic accident such as this one where people have been killed and injured badly or otherwise and all you guys can do is turn it into a arguement over bikes vs cars, and how many 999 vechicles attended i think its a shame. i think we should all just be greatfull that it wasnt us or our familly members and just give thoughts to the famillies involved. save your arguements for another time if you fel that strongly snd your comments to the council eh .[/bold]
I have just read through all your comments and think that it is amazing that a tragic accident such as this one where people have been killed and injured badly or otherwise and all you guys can do is turn it into a arguement over bikes vs cars, and how many 999 vechicles attended i think its a shame. i think we should all just be greatfull that it wasnt us or our familly members and just give thoughts to the famillies involved. save your arguements for another time if you fel that strongly snd your comments to the council eh . Posted by: dockeca, Horndean on 3:01pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I'm stunned. The person who died was an old friend, and one of the nicest people you could wish to meet.
I'm also stunned by the complete lack of any proper respect shown by those posters who turn the issue into their own personal prejudice and abuse thread, generalising people on the basis of the mode of transport they are using at any one time. You should be ashamed.
I'm stunned. The person who died was an old friend, and one of the nicest people you could wish to meet.
I'm also stunned by the complete lack of any proper respect shown by those posters who turn the issue into their own personal prejudice and abuse thread, generalising people on the basis of the mode of transport they are using at any one time. You should be ashamed.
Posted by: disgusted!, southampton on 3:03pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I am from Southampton and been involved in road accidents before, but petty comments like what I have read on this site are shameful. The impact of someone dying is not nice, nor is to read such comments "or I bet it was the cyclists fault". This story is about a real incident and about a real loss, but lacking the full facts. Yes debate, but just be respectable and use some intelligence.
I am from Southampton and been involved in road accidents before, but petty comments like what I have read on this site are shameful. The impact of someone dying is not nice, nor is to read such comments "or I bet it was the cyclists fault". This story is about a real incident and about a real loss, but lacking the full facts. Yes debate, but just be respectable and use some intelligence.
Posted by: Sam, Southampton on 3:32pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Someone mentioned the cyclists were members of a club - does anyone know which club they were from?
Someone mentioned the cyclists were members of a club - does anyone know which club they were from?
Posted by: maria hooper on 3:53pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here.
I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response?
12 police cars and 7 ambulances.[/quote] I have never posted on a forum before, but comments from certain people on this site have driven me to such anger that I feel I need to,
I am wife to a team mate of these dear gentlemen and while I am trying to console my devastated husband at the loss of one of his best friends and as we wait patiently hoping to god that we dont loose the other I am reading some of the drivel you lot are coming out with!!
These two men are part of an experinced road racing team and know how to use a road better than most of you who use cars!!!
Please remember that these two men had families and children and wives and many many friends none of who think that the turn out of emergency services was 'overkill' we are grateful to them!!!
have a heart and show some respect for our loss!
Andrew wrote:
My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here.
I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response?
12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
I have never posted on a forum before, but comments from certain people on this site have driven me to such anger that I feel I need to,
I am wife to a team mate of these dear gentlemen and while I am trying to console my devastated husband at the loss of one of his best friends and as we wait patiently hoping to god that we dont loose the other I am reading some of the drivel you lot are coming out with!!
These two men are part of an experinced road racing team and know how to use a road better than most of you who use cars!!!
Please remember that these two men had families and children and wives and many many friends none of who think that the turn out of emergency services was 'overkill' we are grateful to them!!!
have a heart and show some respect for our loss!
Posted by: Dave, Southampton on 3:53pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote: My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.[/quote] It makes me wonder why people make stupid comments like this about such a tragic incident, obviously this person has no working knowlage of the emergency services or what it takes to deal with an incedent such as this and i'm sure friends and family of those involved would not think it overkill. My sincere condolences to friends and family of the persons involved. I cycle the bridge on a regular basis and this really hits home as to what can happen. [/quote] I think Andrew could have chosen his words with a little more care but, contary to Steves reply Andrew is right. As someone who was in attendance I totally agree, far too many personnel were tied up on this incident.
Steve wrote:
Andrew wrote: My sincere condolences to the relatives and friends of the people involved here. I must say though is it not overkill on the emergency services response? 12 police cars and 7 ambulances.
It makes me wonder why people make stupid comments like this about such a tragic incident, obviously this person has no working knowlage of the emergency services or what it takes to deal with an incedent such as this and i'm sure friends and family of those involved would not think it overkill. My sincere condolences to friends and family of the persons involved. I cycle the bridge on a regular basis and this really hits home as to what can happen.
I think Andrew could have chosen his words with a little more care but, contary to Steves reply Andrew is right. As someone who was in attendance I totally agree, far too many personnel were tied up on this incident.
Posted by: downfader, southampton on 4:46pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote:
Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.[/quote] Hulla, I know of no club that organises/encourages rides through town centers like Southamptons, esp at 9pm. It is also not a case of taking over the roads, everyone has a right to use them under UK law and there may be reasons why a cyclist is out center (poor road surfacing, potholes, glass)
I ride the bridge daily. I will say from experience that both ends offer their dangers. The woolston end will sometimes have the obstacle of a driver pulling into the cycle lne to park and find money; and the town end has the issue of road users getting confused by the cycle lane (both cyclists and drivers).
When you're heading down towards town you need to check behind and indicate. Even indicate right if you're going straight on to let drivers know you will be there.
I was also told by the council that motorists are supposed to give way at the cyclelane... though I never took this as gospel and still try to be careful.
I hope all those involved recover, condolences to the chap who passed away - this could happen to any of us and we all need to be careful!
hulla wrote:
Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.
Hulla, I know of no club that organises/encourages rides through town centers like Southamptons, esp at 9pm. It is also not a case of taking over the roads, everyone has a right to use them under UK law and there may be reasons why a cyclist is out center (poor road surfacing, potholes, glass)
I ride the bridge daily. I will say from experience that both ends offer their dangers. The woolston end will sometimes have the obstacle of a driver pulling into the cycle lne to park and find money; and the town end has the issue of road users getting confused by the cycle lane (both cyclists and drivers).
When you're heading down towards town you need to check behind and indicate. Even indicate right if you're going straight on to let drivers know you will be there.
I was also told by the council that motorists are supposed to give way at the cyclelane... though I never took this as gospel and still try to be careful.
I hope all those involved recover, condolences to the chap who passed away - this could happen to any of us and we all need to be careful!
Posted by: Matt, Southampton, Itchen Bridge on 5:04pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I'm sat exactly where I was yesterday when the accident happened, looking over the ocean village roundabout side of the bridge. I posted earlier on about car users and cyclists who last night tried to get up the bridge despite it being closed. I've been sat here most of the day and as usual I see and hear cars going up the bridge and putting their foot down, some are easily doing 50mph before the bus stop. On an average day without trying I see at least 3 incidents in which cars are travelling to close or to fast and often results in heavy braking or horn usage from other road users. Also I see drivers and cyclists with a complete lack of concern of the bus stop, in the highway code it says a bus pulling out of a bus stop should get right of way, despite this drivers/cyclists frequently speed up to get in front of the bus. However none of this information clarifies what happened yesterday evening. The council continue to charge traffic to cross the bridge in the aim of easing congestion as it provides a 'rat run' One possible solution, as there are paths on both sides of the bridge would be to designate one side for cyclists and the other for pedestrians, prefably on the cyclist side a 4 foot metal barrier so cyclists under no circumstance sway into vehicle traffic and potentially cause faster moving vehicles to turn into the path of on coming vehicles. As previously mentioned above though, it is difficult to point fingers in this instance and besides accidents do happen. Surely the CCTV camera pointing up the bridge near the bus stop will help in the investigation?
I'm sat exactly where I was yesterday when the accident happened, looking over the ocean village roundabout side of the bridge. I posted earlier on about car users and cyclists who last night tried to get up the bridge despite it being closed. I've been sat here most of the day and as usual I see and hear cars going up the bridge and putting their foot down, some are easily doing 50mph before the bus stop. On an average day without trying I see at least 3 incidents in which cars are travelling to close or to fast and often results in heavy braking or horn usage from other road users. Also I see drivers and cyclists with a complete lack of concern of the bus stop, in the highway code it says a bus pulling out of a bus stop should get right of way, despite this drivers/cyclists frequently speed up to get in front of the bus. However none of this information clarifies what happened yesterday evening. The council continue to charge traffic to cross the bridge in the aim of easing congestion as it provides a 'rat run' One possible solution, as there are paths on both sides of the bridge would be to designate one side for cyclists and the other for pedestrians, prefably on the cyclist side a 4 foot metal barrier so cyclists under no circumstance sway into vehicle traffic and potentially cause faster moving vehicles to turn into the path of on coming vehicles. As previously mentioned above though, it is difficult to point fingers in this instance and besides accidents do happen. Surely the CCTV camera pointing up the bridge near the bus stop will help in the investigation?
Posted by: Tim Costello on 5:17pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sam[/bold] wrote:
Someone mentioned the cyclists were members of a club - does anyone know which club they were from?[/quote] The rider whom was killed was a member of DHC Cyclesport.
Sam wrote:
Someone mentioned the cyclists were members of a club - does anyone know which club they were from?
The rider whom was killed was a member of DHC Cyclesport.
Posted by: The New Pretender, southampton on 5:28pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Matt, Southampton, Itchen Bridge - "i've been sat here most of the day....on an average day i see at least 3 incidents...." blimey you lead an exciting life!!
Anyway that aside - I am still confused as to what went on and until all circumstances are known I guess I will remain confused.
From what I can gather there was a cycle club with decent numbers going over the bridge when a number were struck by the car - a number of arrests ....???? I assume the driver of the car but who else ??
Obviously I pass on my condolences to all concerned but wish the Echo would wait to disclose all the facts before releasing the story for all to comment and speculate.
Matt, Southampton, Itchen Bridge - "i've been sat here most of the day....on an average day i see at least 3 incidents...." blimey you lead an exciting life!!
Anyway that aside - I am still confused as to what went on and until all circumstances are known I guess I will remain confused.
From what I can gather there was a cycle club with decent numbers going over the bridge when a number were struck by the car - a number of arrests ....???? I assume the driver of the car but who else ??
Obviously I pass on my condolences to all concerned but wish the Echo would wait to disclose all the facts before releasing the story for all to comment and speculate.
Posted by: CE, Co.Cork on 5:38pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]B.B.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kt[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote: Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.[/quote] sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks![/quote] Bikes do NOT have as much right to the road as cars. Perhaps when they pay insurance, road tax etc they can make that claim.I\'m sick of these \'holier than thou\'cyclists that demand roads should be narrowed so the council can install more cycle lanes.Then when they get their cycle lane and come across an inconvenient red light, decide to go back to riding on the pavement, ploughing into us pedestrians.[/quote] Actually cyclists in law not only have every right to be on the road, but are required to be on the road, not, as you point out (contradicting your own statement I might add) on the footpath.
I would suggest if you don't like the fact that cyclists are not required to display a tax sticker on their bicycles (motorists do not pay ROAD TAX, it doesn't exist) then you complain to your MP. While you at it, complain that zero-emission i.e. electric vehicles are exempt too, and that motorcyclists don't pay enough either.
Oh, and trucks pay more motoring taxes than you do, I take it that means you believe they have more of a right to be on the road than you, and can shunt you out of their way at will?
While your at it, you might suggest that the local authorities that are responsible for providing cycle lanes do so by making the roads wider. I'm sure the cyclists riding in the sub-standard width lanes that you are so unhappy about would be more than pleased to have one of decent, i.e. 2m width to ride in.
B.B. wrote:
Kt wrote: hulla wrote: Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.
sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks!
Bikes do NOT have as much right to the road as cars. Perhaps when they pay insurance, road tax etc they can make that claim.I\'m sick of these \'holier than thou\'cyclists that demand roads should be narrowed so the council can install more cycle lanes.Then when they get their cycle lane and come across an inconvenient red light, decide to go back to riding on the pavement, ploughing into us pedestrians.
Actually cyclists in law not only have every right to be on the road, but are required to be on the road, not, as you point out (contradicting your own statement I might add) on the footpath.
I would suggest if you don't like the fact that cyclists are not required to display a tax sticker on their bicycles (motorists do not pay ROAD TAX, it doesn't exist) then you complain to your MP. While you at it, complain that zero-emission i.e. electric vehicles are exempt too, and that motorcyclists don't pay enough either.
Oh, and trucks pay more motoring taxes than you do, I take it that means you believe they have more of a right to be on the road than you, and can shunt you out of their way at will?
While your at it, you might suggest that the local authorities that are responsible for providing cycle lanes do so by making the roads wider. I'm sure the cyclists riding in the sub-standard width lanes that you are so unhappy about would be more than pleased to have one of decent, i.e. 2m width to ride in.
Posted by: adrian on 5:54pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I send my condolences to the friends families and club mates of the rider killed and the riders injured and in shock.
It grieves me that so many people assume that because they are cyclists they must be at fault, and that cyclists are somehow less worthy than other people. Cyclists are one of three types of road users to have a right to use the road. Everyone else does so with permission, which can be taken away.
Cyclists pose little threat to other road users, are routinely vilified as non tax paying road users, and they should be held in the highest esteem. When a poorly driven car collides with a group of cyclists it is usually the car driver at fault, almost never the other way around, the cyclist ends up much worse off and usually the car driver gets away with a small fine and a few points
I send my condolences to the friends families and club mates of the rider killed and the riders injured and in shock.
It grieves me that so many people assume that because they are cyclists they must be at fault, and that cyclists are somehow less worthy than other people. Cyclists are one of three types of road users to have a right to use the road. Everyone else does so with permission, which can be taken away.
Cyclists pose little threat to other road users, are routinely vilified as non tax paying road users, and they should be held in the highest esteem. When a poorly driven car collides with a group of cyclists it is usually the car driver at fault, almost never the other way around, the cyclist ends up much worse off and usually the car driver gets away with a small fine and a few points
Posted by: Me, At home on 6:26pm Thu 21 Aug 08
If you look at the BBC news report on the subject you will see that ALL people arrested are from the vehicle.
You'd have thought that if the cyclists were to hold any responsibility they might have also been detained.
Make of that what you will.
(Only 1 person here has got even close to suggesting what actually happened.)
Before you gob off about cyclists not paying taxes etc.. Did it ever occur to you that a very high percentage of cyclists have a car TOO.
If you look at the BBC news report on the subject you will see that ALL people arrested are from the vehicle.
You'd have thought that if the cyclists were to hold any responsibility they might have also been detained.
Make of that what you will.
(Only 1 person here has got even close to suggesting what actually happened.)
Before you gob off about cyclists not paying taxes etc.. Did it ever occur to you that a very high percentage of cyclists have a car TOO.
Posted by: Alan, Fordingbridge on 6:49pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Like most serious cyclist, I have insurance and when I'm on my bike the car on which I pay "road tax" is sat in my drive. I am sure I am not the only person to find some of the postings on this matter totally offensive. God bless all those who have suffered.
Like most serious cyclist, I have insurance and when I'm on my bike the car on which I pay "road tax" is sat in my drive. I am sure I am not the only person to find some of the postings on this matter totally offensive. God bless all those who have suffered.
Posted by: Bundles, Southampton on 7:18pm Thu 21 Aug 08
My condolences to the family of the deceased. I have been informed that the two cyclists involved were selected to carry the flag at the 2012 olynmpics - such a loss, and that the driver and passengers were boozed and on drugs.
I use the bridge every day and see cyclists free wheeling at speeds faster than the cars, across the roundabout, making them a danger to traffic trying to get onto the bridge - one has to `jump` into less than perfect spaces in the constant flow from the bridge. This is a bad design for the amount of traffic using the bridge in both directions in the rush hours.
One other point - the cycle lanes on the bridge are not manditory - the lines used to delineate them are broken and therefore other road users are allowed to use this space `if it is safe to do so`. Obviously if one can see a cyclist in the lane then it is not safe to do so.
Further to adrain's post, SOME cyclists are a threat to other road users particularly when they weave all other the road and use the footway when it suits them - usually at red lights - and then compound their daft style of riding with unsignalled changes in direction.
However, these people were from an organise club and were, no doubt, riding in an acceptable fashion on the other side of the road from the direction of the car's travel, and hence the arrests reflect a possible deliberate effort to cause the devastation.
My condolences to the family of the deceased. I have been informed that the two cyclists involved were selected to carry the flag at the 2012 olynmpics - such a loss, and that the driver and passengers were boozed and on drugs.
I use the bridge every day and see cyclists free wheeling at speeds faster than the cars, across the roundabout, making them a danger to traffic trying to get onto the bridge - one has to `jump` into less than perfect spaces in the constant flow from the bridge. This is a bad design for the amount of traffic using the bridge in both directions in the rush hours.
One other point - the cycle lanes on the bridge are not manditory - the lines used to delineate them are broken and therefore other road users are allowed to use this space `if it is safe to do so`. Obviously if one can see a cyclist in the lane then it is not safe to do so.
Further to adrain's post, SOME cyclists are a threat to other road users particularly when they weave all other the road and use the footway when it suits them - usually at red lights - and then compound their daft style of riding with unsignalled changes in direction.
However, these people were from an organise club and were, no doubt, riding in an acceptable fashion on the other side of the road from the direction of the car's travel, and hence the arrests reflect a possible deliberate effort to cause the devastation.
Posted by: Angry on 8:52pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kt[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote: Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.[/quote] sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks![/quote] They do, but these so called cycling clubs tend to ride 3 or 4 abreast, and go as fast as they can, seemingly oblivious to conditions, traffic and to all around them.[/quote] I am a family friend of the deceased struggling to come to terms with the loss of a wonderful man and I am saddened and sickened by the mindless morons who have chosen to ignore the fact that a family have lost someone very dear to them.
The cyclists were riding in single file and the car was on the wrong side of the road when it struck them.
Pray tell how this is the fault of the cyclists you narrow minded, insensitive w*****.
hulla wrote:
Kt wrote: hulla wrote: Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.
sorry, bikes have as much right to the road as cars! if they want to take up the road fine-as long as they do it safely! its the cars overtakin that do the damage!-most take over giving hardly any room, which puts cyclist under presure and stress. and by the way im not a cyclist, im a driver so no bashin thanks!
They do, but these so called cycling clubs tend to ride 3 or 4 abreast, and go as fast as they can, seemingly oblivious to conditions, traffic and to all around them.
I am a family friend of the deceased struggling to come to terms with the loss of a wonderful man and I am saddened and sickened by the mindless morons who have chosen to ignore the fact that a family have lost someone very dear to them.
The cyclists were riding in single file and the car was on the wrong side of the road when it struck them.
Pray tell how this is the fault of the cyclists you narrow minded, insensitive w*****.
Posted by: Andy Powell, Southampton on 9:05pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Only just heard about this tonight, I too know the people involved and I can guarantee they would have been using the roads sensibly and additionally they would have been lit up like Christmas trees - no experienced cyclist wouldnt these days its just too dangerous.
Its a very sad loss of life - THAT IS THE POINT - all your other arguements on here are pathetic and you should think before you type. Some cyclists do give others a bad name but even if they do - four wheeled metal boxes flaten flesh and bones regardless. When was the last poorly driven car killed by a cyclist?
Only just heard about this tonight, I too know the people involved and I can guarantee they would have been using the roads sensibly and additionally they would have been lit up like Christmas trees - no experienced cyclist wouldnt these days its just too dangerous.
Its a very sad loss of life - THAT IS THE POINT - all your other arguements on here are pathetic and you should think before you type. Some cyclists do give others a bad name but even if they do - four wheeled metal boxes flaten flesh and bones regardless. When was the last poorly driven car killed by a cyclist?
Posted by: maria hooper on 9:09pm Thu 21 Aug 08
For all of you out there who seem to think the team where 'racing' through town centre at speed 'four abrest' or in a 'pack mentality' they were in fact just returning from having their team photo taken in Marchwood and were on their way home to their families.
Think on people think on!!
For all of you out there who seem to think the team where 'racing' through town centre at speed 'four abrest' or in a 'pack mentality' they were in fact just returning from having their team photo taken in Marchwood and were on their way home to their families.
Think on people think on!!
Posted by: Aran Stanton, Fareham on 9:30pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[bold]RIP.[/bold]
Deepest and sincerest condolances to all concerened. I knew the deceased well as I rode to work with him most mornings. Such a sad sad loss of the legend that was.
RIP.
Deepest and sincerest condolances to all concerened. I knew the deceased well as I rode to work with him most mornings. Such a sad sad loss of the legend that was.
Posted by: Rob, Winchester on 10:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Yesterday I and many others lost a dear, dear friend. The gentleman in question was always respected by those that had the privilage of racing or training with him. For those reading this who are not from a cycling background, you may not like cycling or cyclists , but if you like the best bits of being British and those with a seriously sharp sense of humour, you would have loved this gentleman, trust me. All the races I've done and the pain and suffering I've endured could not have prepared me for how I felt when I heard this awful news. I am just empty. Years ago I had the privilage of winning a stage of an event promoted by this man, the privilage wasn't in the winning it was in the shaking of his hand at the presentation, it was my honour. His name is engraved on trophies that young hopefuls will battle to try and win. Whenever I went a bit too fast up a hill in the Meon Valley during one his torturous winter rides he'd turn to me grinning and say 'did you ever win such & such road race?' knowing fully well I hadn't,at that he had!!! Genius. Bless you mate. Rob.
Yesterday I and many others lost a dear, dear friend. The gentleman in question was always respected by those that had the privilage of racing or training with him. For those reading this who are not from a cycling background, you may not like cycling or cyclists , but if you like the best bits of being British and those with a seriously sharp sense of humour, you would have loved this gentleman, trust me. All the races I've done and the pain and suffering I've endured could not have prepared me for how I felt when I heard this awful news. I am just empty. Years ago I had the privilage of winning a stage of an event promoted by this man, the privilage wasn't in the winning it was in the shaking of his hand at the presentation, it was my honour. His name is engraved on trophies that young hopefuls will battle to try and win. Whenever I went a bit too fast up a hill in the Meon Valley during one his torturous winter rides he'd turn to me grinning and say 'did you ever win such & such road race?' knowing fully well I hadn't,at that he had!!! Genius. Bless you mate. Rob.
Posted by: Throb, Hampshire on 11:30pm Thu 21 Aug 08
<rant on/
Condolences to the bereaved; best of luck, fingers doubly crossed, to the guy in hospital; brickbats and the finger, raised vertically and proud, to those who want to use this accident as an excuse to vent their various pro- or anti-bike or car prejudices on this forum.
Car drivers? Lemme tell ya. As a cyclist (and non-driver, I must say) who was once almost hit broadside by a *bus* on the Woolston-side roundabout near the tolls - I was on the roundabout, he came on from my left and was supposed to give way, and it was broad daylight so he had no excuse - I've always been nervous about going over the Itchen. Three times cars have missed me by *inches*, at speed, on roundabouts elsewhere in the city. Actually, I think I'm rather lucky to be alive.
But then, I've seen cyclists do *horrendous* things: shooting down pavements at 20mph, in residential areas where garden gates front their "cycle path"; pedalling round a roundabout, at night, no lights, dressed in black, chatting on a mobile 'phone; running a red light and effectively playing chicken with traffic coming across them.
There are good and bad car drivers and there are good and bad cyclists. I don't know what the percentages are. But I'm always saddened, every time a car/bike accident happens, by how many people, on one side of the fence or the other, try to use the incident to score points against those they see as the Enemy. It's particularly depressing in this case because the facts of the accident are simply not in; and who on this forum has a *clue* what happened on the bridge the other night?
A man has died - from the posts here, a popular and genuinely interesting man - and that is a shame. All road-users should reflect on what has happened and ask how we can innoculate our roads from bad road-users: whether on two or four wheels.
Sorry folks: sore point!
Rob.
/rant off>
<rant on/
Condolences to the bereaved; best of luck, fingers doubly crossed, to the guy in hospital; brickbats and the finger, raised vertically and proud, to those who want to use this accident as an excuse to vent their various pro- or anti-bike or car prejudices on this forum.
Car drivers? Lemme tell ya. As a cyclist (and non-driver, I must say) who was once almost hit broadside by a *bus* on the Woolston-side roundabout near the tolls - I was on the roundabout, he came on from my left and was supposed to give way, and it was broad daylight so he had no excuse - I've always been nervous about going over the Itchen. Three times cars have missed me by *inches*, at speed, on roundabouts elsewhere in the city. Actually, I think I'm rather lucky to be alive.
But then, I've seen cyclists do *horrendous* things: shooting down pavements at 20mph, in residential areas where garden gates front their "cycle path"; pedalling round a roundabout, at night, no lights, dressed in black, chatting on a mobile 'phone; running a red light and effectively playing chicken with traffic coming across them.
There are good and bad car drivers and there are good and bad cyclists. I don't know what the percentages are. But I'm always saddened, every time a car/bike accident happens, by how many people, on one side of the fence or the other, try to use the incident to score points against those they see as the Enemy. It's particularly depressing in this case because the facts of the accident are simply not in; and who on this forum has a *clue* what happened on the bridge the other night?
A man has died - from the posts here, a popular and genuinely interesting man - and that is a shame. All road-users should reflect on what has happened and ask how we can innoculate our roads from bad road-users: whether on two or four wheels.
Sorry folks: sore point!
Rob.
/rant off>
Posted by: carpe diem! on 1:22am Fri 22 Aug 08
Some of these comments make me sick. I lost a friend, and have another in a seriously bad way. The over kill comment of emergency services is bol***** go somewhere else. And th arrogant comment of cyclists think they can go anywhere regardless is pure rubbish. We need so much more consideration. We hold the right t ride in the road. RIP mate, im going all the way. Sneds., ill be waitin for you.
Some of these comments make me sick. I lost a friend, and have another in a seriously bad way. The over kill comment of emergency services is bol***** go somewhere else. And th arrogant comment of cyclists think they can go anywhere regardless is pure rubbish. We need so much more consideration. We hold the right t ride in the road. RIP mate, im going all the way. Sneds., ill be waitin for you.
Posted by: Mike, Southampton on 8:15am Fri 22 Aug 08
As the brother of the brave cyclist who has been fighting so hard for his life and surprising us all I would like to thank all of those who have had such kind things to say. To all of you who have used this as a chance to vent your anger against cyclists or just use this forum as a playground I suggest you take a step back and have a thought for those who have been deeply affected by this awful incident. My brother lived for cyling. All who know him know how passionate he is about the sport and how hard to worked to compete in it. As a result of someones dangerous driving he has had everything he loved stripped away from him. He has now been left with years of operations ahead of him, just so that he may walk again. He has also lost a very dear friend whom he regarded as a mentor and respected greatly. I have never met the deceased but have heard so much about him through my brother. Our thoughts go out towards his family and friends who have lost such a great man.
As the brother of the brave cyclist who has been fighting so hard for his life and surprising us all I would like to thank all of those who have had such kind things to say. To all of you who have used this as a chance to vent your anger against cyclists or just use this forum as a playground I suggest you take a step back and have a thought for those who have been deeply affected by this awful incident. My brother lived for cyling. All who know him know how passionate he is about the sport and how hard to worked to compete in it. As a result of someones dangerous driving he has had everything he loved stripped away from him. He has now been left with years of operations ahead of him, just so that he may walk again. He has also lost a very dear friend whom he regarded as a mentor and respected greatly. I have never met the deceased but have heard so much about him through my brother. Our thoughts go out towards his family and friends who have lost such a great man.
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 8:20am Fri 22 Aug 08
Where have my post gone echo. You have removed my comments. So much for free speech and I even wasted money to buy this paper today, just for this incident.
People posted valid comments on this post and they to have gone.
Where have my post gone echo. You have removed my comments. So much for free speech and I even wasted money to buy this paper today, just for this incident.
People posted valid comments on this post and they to have gone.
Posted by: George on 8:49am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Wewullywinky[/bold] wrote:
Where have my post gone echo. You have removed my comments. So much for free speech and I even wasted money to buy this paper today, just for this incident.
People posted valid comments on this post and they to have gone. [/quote] Eh?
There are loads of posts by you on this story.
Wewullywinky wrote:
Where have my post gone echo. You have removed my comments. So much for free speech and I even wasted money to buy this paper today, just for this incident.
People posted valid comments on this post and they to have gone.
Eh?
There are loads of posts by you on this story.
Posted by: Robin, southampton on 9:25am Fri 22 Aug 08
I rather imagine these cyclists are not to blame for this tragedy. However I'm dismayed at how many I see riding up Bassett avenue in the road rather than on the pavement which is the cycle lane. I can see cyclists causing a serious head on collision there one day. They don't do the causse of more cycle lanes much good. People think... they get cycle lanes then don't bother to use them. The result is they put themselves & everybody else at risk.
I rather imagine these cyclists are not to blame for this tragedy. However I'm dismayed at how many I see riding up Bassett avenue in the road rather than on the pavement which is the cycle lane. I can see cyclists causing a serious head on collision there one day. They don't do the causse of more cycle lanes much good. People think... they get cycle lanes then don't bother to use them. The result is they put themselves & everybody else at risk.
Posted by: MattP, Winchester on 12:03pm Fri 22 Aug 08
It was my friend who was killed and I want to say that he was a super person. I feel very lucky to have known him. My heart goes out to his family.
God Bless you D
It was my friend who was killed and I want to say that he was a super person. I feel very lucky to have known him. My heart goes out to his family.
God Bless you D
Posted by: Lee, Woolston on 3:25pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Robin[/bold] wrote:
I rather imagine these cyclists are not to blame for this tragedy. However I\'m dismayed at how many I see riding up Bassett avenue in the road rather than on the pavement which is the cycle lane. I can see cyclists causing a serious head on collision there one day. They don\'t do the causse of more cycle lanes much good. People think... they get cycle lanes then don\'t bother to use them. The result is they put themselves & everybody else at risk.[/quote] There is no cycle lane on Bassett Avenue. If I were to cycle on the pavement that would be far more dangerous then being on the road. If I hit a pedestrian then they'd be seriously injured. It wouldn't be my fault if a car had a head on collision whilst overtaking me it would be their fault for overtaking me when it's not safe.
Robin wrote:
I rather imagine these cyclists are not to blame for this tragedy. However I\'m dismayed at how many I see riding up Bassett avenue in the road rather than on the pavement which is the cycle lane. I can see cyclists causing a serious head on collision there one day. They don\'t do the causse of more cycle lanes much good. People think... they get cycle lanes then don\'t bother to use them. The result is they put themselves & everybody else at risk.
There is no cycle lane on Bassett Avenue. If I were to cycle on the pavement that would be far more dangerous then being on the road. If I hit a pedestrian then they'd be seriously injured. It wouldn't be my fault if a car had a head on collision whilst overtaking me it would be their fault for overtaking me when it's not safe.
Posted by: hen, romsey on 10:51pm Fri 22 Aug 08
both were friends of mine and this incodent has deeply sadend me. i cannot belive that some people can post such s*** on here. i used to ride with both of them .. experienced cyclists dont ride 3 or 4 abrest on a road, people who obviously know nothing should keep their comments to themsleves. rest in peace and i hope you get better mate
both were friends of mine and this incodent has deeply sadend me. i cannot belive that some people can post such s*** on here. i used to ride with both of them .. experienced cyclists dont ride 3 or 4 abrest on a road, people who obviously know nothing should keep their comments to themsleves. rest in peace and i hope you get better mate
Posted by: Guy, Bedhampton on 11:26pm Fri 22 Aug 08
'Never understood all this cyclist vs motorists issue, since nearly all 'cyclists' also have cars? - Someone's died, another seriously injured - that is the point - respect please - condolances to the family and friends of the deceased.
'Never understood all this cyclist vs motorists issue, since nearly all 'cyclists' also have cars? - Someone's died, another seriously injured - that is the point - respect please - condolances to the family and friends of the deceased.
Posted by: downfader, southampton on 12:50pm Sat 23 Aug 08
Ref the stupid comments about road tax... 85% of cyclists pay road tax on their cars (which they usually leave at home because they are training or their job doesnt allow them to drive in - therefore they are paying MORE tax than many of these drivers)
10% of cyclists are under 18 and dont drive with the remaining 5% being the non drivers over 18. I lost the link to this, it was quite old but I hope it puts an end to this STUPID debate for a while.
Anyone with half a brain can look this stuff up.
I have no logical reasoning for why anyone would want to turn someones death into a rant on taxes. It is pointless of being jealous of something that simply doesnt happen in the way people perceive it to.
Again, my condolences to those involved and those that knew them.
Ref the stupid comments about road tax... 85% of cyclists pay road tax on their cars (which they usually leave at home because they are training or their job doesnt allow them to drive in - therefore they are paying MORE tax than many of these drivers)
10% of cyclists are under 18 and dont drive with the remaining 5% being the non drivers over 18. I lost the link to this, it was quite old but I hope it puts an end to this STUPID debate for a while.
Anyone with half a brain can look this stuff up.
I have no logical reasoning for why anyone would want to turn someones death into a rant on taxes. It is pointless of being jealous of something that simply doesnt happen in the way people perceive it to.
Again, my condolences to those involved and those that knew them.
Posted by: Paul, Totton on 10:33pm Sat 23 Aug 08
The cyclist who was killed needlessly was an old friend with whom alongside I'd shared many wonderfully, and often painful hours, in the saddle training from the poor raining to summer sun, from Ireland to France to the many lanes of Hampshire. Mate you'll be sorely missed and I'll feel absolutely empty knowing I'll never again have the chance to ride along side you.
[bold]To all those "do gooders" with your ill informed comments.[/bold] Keep your mindless postings to yourselves and let this mans friends and families remember him with glad hearts that the most gentle, yet strong and honorable man I've ever had the pleasure of knowing deserves.
The cyclist who was killed needlessly was an old friend with whom alongside I'd shared many wonderfully, and often painful hours, in the saddle training from the poor raining to summer sun, from Ireland to France to the many lanes of Hampshire. Mate you'll be sorely missed and I'll feel absolutely empty knowing I'll never again have the chance to ride along side you.
To all those "do gooders" with your ill informed comments. Keep your mindless postings to yourselves and let this mans friends and families remember him with glad hearts that the most gentle, yet strong and honorable man I've ever had the pleasure of knowing deserves.
Posted by: James McBride on 10:41am Sun 24 Aug 08
[bold]343-627[/bold] My deepest condolences to Mr Witt's family and my thoughts are with Mr Sneddon's for a speedy recovery.
I was shocked to read of an old adversary, being killed in such a tragic way. I used to race against Derek 40 years ago and Derek was a true competitor with a great sense of fun. It was a privilige to have know him and a sad loss to those close to him.
I have to respond to the negative comments about cyclists - I have a car so pay the relevant taxes yet choose to ride my bike to work, the Cycleways leave a lot to be desired strewn with glass and grit, also overgrown and drains that do not drain, so are not ideal.
It is a fact that over three thousand deaths are caused by car drivers and even more injuries, so too point the finger at cyclist is idiotic.
We need [bold]Care, Courtesy and Commonsense[/bold] by all road users.
Again my thoughts are with all concerned in this horrific accident
343-627 My deepest condolences to Mr Witt's family and my thoughts are with Mr Sneddon's for a speedy recovery.
I was shocked to read of an old adversary, being killed in such a tragic way. I used to race against Derek 40 years ago and Derek was a true competitor with a great sense of fun. It was a privilige to have know him and a sad loss to those close to him.
I have to respond to the negative comments about cyclists - I have a car so pay the relevant taxes yet choose to ride my bike to work, the Cycleways leave a lot to be desired strewn with glass and grit, also overgrown and drains that do not drain, so are not ideal.
It is a fact that over three thousand deaths are caused by car drivers and even more injuries, so too point the finger at cyclist is idiotic.
We need
Care, Courtesy and Commonsense by all road users.
Again my thoughts are with all concerned in this horrific accident
Posted by: Bianchi Boy, Hampshire on 12:08pm Sun 24 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote:
Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.[/quote] Shocked by your comment, and one that I think you should retract! As a solo cyclist and a club member I've seen first hand the antics of some idiot motorists. I very much doubt if any of this was the fault of the cyclists. Maybe it's time we toughened up against the motorists in these situations, taking a leaf out of the French book, where cyclists get far more respect from motorists.
Condolences to all
hulla wrote:
Condolences to all. I wonder if the arrests include any of the cyclists, or cyclist club organisers, as they tend to cycle too fast,in a pack mentality and take over the roads. A busy town centre is no place for that.
Shocked by your comment, and one that I think you should retract! As a solo cyclist and a club member I've seen first hand the antics of some idiot motorists. I very much doubt if any of this was the fault of the cyclists. Maybe it's time we toughened up against the motorists in these situations, taking a leaf out of the French book, where cyclists get far more respect from motorists.
Condolences to all
Posted by: Frank Matson, Southampton on 1:50pm Sun 24 Aug 08
Let's demolish the Itchen Bridge, and re-instate the old Floating Bridge.It was far safer,and gave people a pleasant boat ride in and out of Southampton. The Itchen Bridge has been responsible for much misery, such as the many suicides, and for ruining the very pleasant shopping centre of Woolston. Knock it down, I say!
Let's demolish the Itchen Bridge, and re-instate the old Floating Bridge.It was far safer,and gave people a pleasant boat ride in and out of Southampton. The Itchen Bridge has been responsible for much misery, such as the many suicides, and for ruining the very pleasant shopping centre of Woolston. Knock it down, I say!
Posted by: Nigel Marris (fareham wheelers), Fareham on 4:48pm Sun 24 Aug 08
Firstly, I went to pass on my deepest condolances to all family, friends, Dave and team mates from the Fareham Wheelers. Our thoughts and prayers our with the 2nd rider seriously injured.
This sort of incident happens all to often. Unfortunately some mindless people like to use a forum to vent their ignorance and prejudice against cyclists. This is also reflected out on the road.
People with a passion for a pastime and sport, that is healthy, enviromentally friendly and delivered the most gold medals in the olympics should deserve more respect.
Please do not forget the gravity of this incident.
Firstly, I went to pass on my deepest condolances to all family, friends, Dave and team mates from the Fareham Wheelers. Our thoughts and prayers our with the 2nd rider seriously injured.
This sort of incident happens all to often. Unfortunately some mindless people like to use a forum to vent their ignorance and prejudice against cyclists. This is also reflected out on the road.
People with a passion for a pastime and sport, that is healthy, enviromentally friendly and delivered the most gold medals in the olympics should deserve more respect.
Please do not forget the gravity of this incident.
Posted by: jonsimpson on 4:50pm Sun 24 Aug 08
demolish the itchen bridge? please! a pleasant boat ride might of been nice in the 1950's but when you have got to get to work everyday, all that you care about is getting there and back as quickly as possible. If any thing knock down woolston! what a dump!
demolish the itchen bridge? please! a pleasant boat ride might of been nice in the 1950's but when you have got to get to work everyday, all that you care about is getting there and back as quickly as possible. If any thing knock down woolston! what a dump!
Posted by: Jeremy on 7:39pm Sun 24 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Mike[/bold] wrote:
As the brother of the brave cyclist who has been fighting so hard for his life and surprising us all I would like to thank all of those who have had such kind things to say. To all of you who have used this as a chance to vent your anger against cyclists or just use this forum as a playground I suggest you take a step back and have a thought for those who have been deeply affected by this awful incident. My brother lived for cyling. All who know him know how passionate he is about the sport and how hard to worked to compete in it. As a result of someones dangerous driving he has had everything he loved stripped away from him. He has now been left with years of operations ahead of him, just so that he may walk again. He has also lost a very dear friend whom he regarded as a mentor and respected greatly. I have never met the deceased but have heard so much about him through my brother. Our thoughts go out towards his family and friends who have lost such a great man.[/quote] I hope your brother pulls through, I was racing against him last sunday. It's horrible, yet unsurprising how insensitive others are, a man has lost his life here RIP.
Mike wrote:
As the brother of the brave cyclist who has been fighting so hard for his life and surprising us all I would like to thank all of those who have had such kind things to say. To all of you who have used this as a chance to vent your anger against cyclists or just use this forum as a playground I suggest you take a step back and have a thought for those who have been deeply affected by this awful incident. My brother lived for cyling. All who know him know how passionate he is about the sport and how hard to worked to compete in it. As a result of someones dangerous driving he has had everything he loved stripped away from him. He has now been left with years of operations ahead of him, just so that he may walk again. He has also lost a very dear friend whom he regarded as a mentor and respected greatly. I have never met the deceased but have heard so much about him through my brother. Our thoughts go out towards his family and friends who have lost such a great man.
I hope your brother pulls through, I was racing against him last sunday. It's horrible, yet unsurprising how insensitive others are, a man has lost his life here RIP.
Posted by: Dave Maynard, Reading Berkshire on 10:09pm Tue 9 Sep 08
My name is Dave Maynard. I am a responsible club cyclist from Reading CC, as was my 25 year old son Anthony. I know first hand the sadness and immense distress that surrounds cycling tragedies. On 3rd July this year, in perfect conditions, on a road with 2 lanes per direction,Anthony and a clubmate were hit from behind by a transit van. I was on the ride, but mercifully some might say, not right there. And so I arrived home, no Anthony. 4 hours later the police knock on the door confirmed all my mounting fears that night, that ended in my having identify my poor dead son, who had died so tragically and needlessly. So, Derek's family, I and my family send out to you our heartfelt condolences, and as you will know, it's not us just us saying that. We don't imagine your pain, we feel it.
Dave (dad) Sue (mum) and Theresa (sister)
My name is Dave Maynard. I am a responsible club cyclist from Reading CC, as was my 25 year old son Anthony. I know first hand the sadness and immense distress that surrounds cycling tragedies. On 3rd July this year, in perfect conditions, on a road with 2 lanes per direction,Anthony and a clubmate were hit from behind by a transit van. I was on the ride, but mercifully some might say, not right there. And so I arrived home, no Anthony. 4 hours later the police knock on the door confirmed all my mounting fears that night, that ended in my having identify my poor dead son, who had died so tragically and needlessly. So, Derek's family, I and my family send out to you our heartfelt condolences, and as you will know, it's not us just us saying that. We don't imagine your pain, we feel it.
Dave (dad) Sue (mum) and Theresa (sister)
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